What’s the deal? I’ve been providing some intense “tough love” for about 4 months now, and I only now get my first real hate mail!
Oh, what a good one it is, though. I suppose it’s made up for lost time.
Here it is, in all it’s glory, with my responses in bold. Beware, it is EXTREMELY long.
Note all of the mis-quotes, assumptions, and psychoanalyzing.
Here we go…
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First off, let me start out with that I appreciate the fact that you’re not politically correct. Neither am I. Words don’t scare me. Some mentalities do, however. Yes, I am fat. I’m 80 lbs overweight. So, there you go!
- Right off the bat, my subtitle prophecy fulfills itself.
You have yet to put anything new on the table re: fat people. You fat-o-phobics ALL repeat the same rhetoric and sound like a broken record. You keep saying that we make excuses, look for sympathy, need your help (wtf? lol), don’t know how we got this way, and if you get mad, you’re fat too bla bla bla…..
- I’ve never said that anyone needs MY help inparticular. I have said that I don’t understand why people that complain about their situation don’t take advantage of help and motivation that is available. If you are fat and happy, and don’t complain, then I have absolutely NO problem with that.
I really cannot say that I apologize that we fat people are inconveniencing you and “giving you the shivers”. We aren’t pleasant to look at, are we? You need to get over this at some point in your life and move on, really.
- Why do I need to get over it? Because fat people aren’t going away? I would agree with that, but there is nothing for me to “get over”. This is MY blog that I started for reasons I’ve stated clearly more than once. If you would like to comment on any issues that I have addressed in any of my posts, then please feel free. If you don’t like the main topic of my blog, then stop wasting your time reading it. In other words: “Get over it”.
My guess is that you are anal-retentive and overly self-conscious about your own weight that when you see a fat person eating a twinkie, you get jealous because they don’t care as much as you do about what people think of them. I know it doesn’t make sense to get jealous, but you do. It’s human nature. You’re jealous of the freedom the fat person has as you are so afraid to gain weight because the only way you can get attention from others is by being thin. I notice this trend with a lot of fat-o-phobics. Those obsessed with being thin and good looking tend to hate fat people because they (the thin ones) want to eat whatever and whenever they want too! And it pisses you people off because you depend so heavily on what others think of you – on a clinical level more than the average person! I mean, who else but an insecure person, would devote an entire blog to bashing fat people? Think about it. You are more transparent than you think.
- You gotta love the constant need to psychoanalyze those you don’t understand. Well, i’m sorry but you are wrong on all accounts. I don’t obsess about being thin at all. I simply strive to be fit and healthy, and I don’t understand why everyone doesn’t do the same. I want to live to be 110 and feel great and have energy until the day I die.
- You believe that because I am so scared to be fat, that I am jealous that fat people can eat anything they want? The truth is, I do eat everything I want. I just don’t WANT to eat junk food! There was a time when I ate it more than I do now, but then I realized how bad it was for me. After that point, it didn’t even sound, look, or taste good to me anymore. I admit to eating unhealthy at times, but I usually regret it. It’s an odd thing that once you no longer eat mostly crap, when you do you can really feel it’s affect on how you feel. It makes you realize that when you feel like that all the time, you don’t know the difference. It’s a feeling of malaise that I think most people experience constantly, without realizing it.
- Why would I be jealous of the “freedom” a fat person has? This is an obvious place where you and I view life differently. I don’t see fat people as free. I see them as having more occurrences of chronic pains and illnesses. I see them as being shackled by their fat.
I guess to some extent we all have this syndrome where we cannot understand why others are different from us. I cannot understand why people tattoo and pierce their bodies. But I figure – that’s them and to each their own – even though they’re not easy for me to look at. Assholes are hard to look at too. But I’d rather be fat than an asshole. That’s just me, though.
I see part of your mission is to get them to lose weight? Are you doing this because you SINCERELY care about their well-beings? Or… are you doing this so that when you leave your house, you don’t have to worry any longer about seeing so many fat people in “your world”? Do you realize that a lot of fat people stay indoors because of dicks like you?
Newsflash: It’s NOT your world. It’s ours. Celebrate the differences!
- Are you asking me to celebrate that people are fat? You are over-simplifying fat people as simply having an appearance that is different than other people. It is much more complex than that, and I use this blog as a way to discuss those complexities. If you are implying that being fat or skinny is the same as being black or white, then read my post: FAT is the new Black!
- I do realize that fat people stay indoors because of dicks like me. For some of those people, maybe that is why they are fat. I know it’s the “chicken or the egg” with that one, but what possibly started first in those cases was a mild depression that translated into a general social anxiety that caused them to go outside less, get less exercise, eat more comfort food, get more depressed because they are fat, then blame others because they think everyone is staring at them and causing their depression. Aw shucks… there I go analyzing other people.
I seriously doubt you give a shit about a stranger’s health. Why would a stranger be concerned about someone’s health or happiness? I don’t like dildos like you wandering about and staring at us all the time. And if I could rid people of your rank off the planet, I would. We all know that if you could get away with it, you would shoot fat people one by one. We can all admit to that. I’d shoot you too – just because you’re an intolerant douche.
- Why would a stranger be concerned about someone’s health or happiness? Have you ever heard of doctors, nutritionists, personal trainers, physical trainers, psychologists, psychiatrists, counselors, scientists, teachers, childcare workers, social workers, peace corp workers, after school mentors, big brothers big sisters, human/civil rights workers, volunteers, foster care providers, adopters, Angelina Jolie?
- Choosing to write about the issues that I have with certain fellow human beings is one thing… erupting in violence and shooting people is another. That statement was absolutely absurd. With my blog, I am not targeting any one person specifically. WordPress has allowed me to write my thoughts and let other people read them. By specifically writing me an email and calling me names, you are the one being an intolerant douche. Do you scour the internet and spend hours writing to websites you don’t agree with that they should shut up and stop what they are doing?
You say fat people can (and you underline) “always” do something about their problem. I do understand that you are talking about the “over-eaters”. Ok. Fine. But why would you care about someone’s eating habits? I guess I’m trying to understand why you hate fat people so much – so much to dedicate an entire blog about them?
- I have NEVER said I hate fat people. To answer why I care about other peoples habits enough to dedicate an entire blog about them, read my Fat Mission page, rinse, and repeat, until you get it.
I hate to break the news to you, but it’s way more than 10% that cannot control their “fat destination”. I am one of them. I have Cushings Disease. Like Thyroid Disease, it’s supposed to be about “10 % or less” of the population that gets this. That’s incorrect. It’s 10% or less of the population that DOESN’T GO MISDIAGNOSED. This is the same with any glandular disease (hereditary or not). You of all people know that with being fat, there is a stigma (a negative one, of course). Well, guess what? Most doctors out there think like you. With that said, it takes between 5-25 years to get diagnosed for Cushings Disease and some people die before their even diagnosed! Most doctors just tell all fat patients to diet and exercise and quickly dismiss them. THAT IS WHY SO FEW ARE PROPERLY DIAGNOSED, YOU NUMSKULL! To be fair, I should be about 20-30 lbs overweight because I don’t always eat right, but the 80 lbs I am overweight (or FAT) is due to excess hormone cortisol that is being secreted in my body.
- I am sorry that you have Cushings Disease. I am totally open to the idea that glandular diseases often go misdiagnosed. However, I am not open to the idea that those diseases that are genetic in origin have increased over 300% in the past 40 years, because that is how much obesity rates have increased. Even more so for children in particular. I am also open to the idea that a large change in lifestyle of humans in recent decades may influence whether we are more susceptible to these diseases. More specifically, modern medicine’s use of steroid hormones to treat many problems, which happens to be the number one reason of why a person’s cortisol levels can be produced in excess, causing Cushings like symptoms, including weight gain.
- By you making this point, and by your logic, you are saying that before the “obesity epidemic”, most glandular diseases such as Cushings were PROPERLY diagnosed and successfully treated at all points in history until recently, when suddenly doctors began to misdiagnose these diseases and allow their victims to suffer the consequences, including getting fat.
- That is of course false. I am not saying that the rates of these disease may not be increasing. That is very possible. But rather than believe that there is a big change happening in our DNA that would leave us hopelessly more susceptible to disease, I would first attempt to look at all environmental and lifestyle factors.
So, no, there’s a MUCH higher percentage of fat people out there that surpass the “rare 10%” you claim to be out of their control. Unless, you medically and psychologically examine every fat person you encounter, how the heck would you know their story? No. Just because you see a fat lady eating two big macs? Do you know WHY she’s doing it? Do you know why people are addicted to alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, sex, criminal acts, etc….? Yes, there’s a reason for all this. These are choices, yet people don’t know why they make these choices!! Do you know why you’re an asshole? Probably not.
- That was a wonderful collection of nonsensical questions. You’re right, though. Unless every fat person is examined, we don’t know their story. But that statement serves both sides of this argument. That statement is how I argue that it is ridiculous that every other fat person will tell you the reason they are fat is because of their genes, or their thyroid. How would they know this? They don’t know, because very few that claim that as the cause of their condition have actually been to an endocrinologist to address their specific problem. So where do they pull that theory from? Their ASS! If your theory that most fat people go misdiagnosed for various glandular conditions is true, that is still not a good reason to blindly claim that as the root of ones problem.
Where do you get or imply that fat people are happy? After reading this, how could you think their life is “so easy”? Do they want sympathy for this? Fuck no!! Asking assholes to STFU is not the same thing as asking for sympathy. I know you won’t STFU but just because we fat people don’t like being shit on, again, doesn’t mean we want you to pay any homage to us. What part of that don’t you understand?
- I don’t understand that whole paragraph, actually. When did I say they are happy? Or that their life is “so easy”? You might be getting the recent “fat-o-phob” blogs you’ve read confused… and then decided to take it all out on me.
Some people are nervous eaters or eat their problems away. Boo hoo, right? Well, guess what? While that IS a choice, so are the many other things people do to cope with stress. Any act-out is self-destructive. That’s the way some fat people get through life. And many of them don’t give a shit if they die. Yes. That’s a fact. Why on earth you confuse these people with being happy is beyond me and more confusing than your confusion with them. The reason fat people make you confused is because you believe in over simplified and one-dimensional chiches as an answer to all your questions rather than facts! There’s a link between depression and over-eating. Some fattening foods contain chemicals that help a person’s brain secrete serotonin that aid those who are depressed. Fat people don’t know why their attracted to fatty foods, of course, but that’s the reason why. More on this can be found here:
http://virgomonkey.wordpress.com/2008/04/18/obesity-in-america/
- You like that word “fact” don’t you? The problem is, my blog is not over-simplified and one dimensional, you are just reading it as such. You seem to not be able to get past the “fact” that I choose to write about this topic, so everything you’ve read on my blog is filtered through your mind as pure “fat-o-phobic”, and you are ignoring the numerous topics I have tried to cover in my exploration as to why so many fat people complain about their situation, claim they can do nothing about it, and yet haven’t even tried anything. I mean REALLY tried.
- But, you’re right. One reason is because some of them have self-destructive tendencies, and deal with stress by eating junk. Why are you arguing that with me? That is a case where becoming fat is a result of a behavioral problem, which if they don’t like being fat, they should look into the causes, and attempt to rectify them.
You are simply ignorant about an issue you declare yourself to be an “expert” on. You find “facts” to be synonymous “making excuses”. So, long as you think that facts = excuses, surely you will never understand a fat person. Should you pay more attention to facts both medical and psychological, this would be inconvenient for you as you WANT to hate fat people. That’s YOUR unique way of coping with stress in your life. We know you are no more happy than we are. Knowing the facts would take that pleasure away from you and you’d no longer have a scapegoat for your problems.
Some people say it’s genetic to hate fat people. So, there’s one for you!
- Haha… When did I declare myself an “expert”? If I implied that, then I was joking, and you have no sense of humor. Just so you know, using “quotes” like you just did implies that I said or wrote that word specifically. I’m pretty sure I have never written that word referring to myself. If I was an “expert” on this subject, I would not have a shitty blog. I would be publishing books and articles, and speaking at shitty conferences.
- Facts Facts Facts Facts Facts Facts Facts Facts Facts Facts Facts Facts Facts Facts Facts Facts Facts Facts Facts Facts Facts Facts Facts Facts Facts Facts Facts Facts Facts Facts Facts Facts Facts Facts Facts Facts. In your face!
- So… I don’t know “the facts”? But you do? I find it hard to believe that you would take the time to write this very long email to me, talk at length about various things, and then when it comes to accusing me of not knowing “the facts”, that is exactly the only way you refer to them as: “the facts”. Why not elaborate for me, what “facts” that I am choosing to ignore because I “hate fat people”. This seems to be the point in your email where if you KNEW “the facts” that could throw me under the bridge, you would most certainly spell them out for me. But you don’t. I wonder why.
How do people “choose” to be fat, anyway? Do people just wake up in the morning and say, “Gee… today I am going to be fat… and yeah!”. Are you out of your mind? Why don’t you leave it to US FATTIES to tell you what it’s like.
- Umm, no. I don’t think they consciously say to themselves “I want to be fat”. That’s retarded. But the ones that got fat by eating horribly and living a sedentary lifestyle, have chosen to live that way. They wake up and choose to have biscuits, gravy, and bacon. They choose to take the elevator rather than the stairs up one floor. They choose to watch 30+ hours of TV a week. These are all things I’ve covered before.
“It was the junk food”…says the fattest Mexican. Yeah. No kidding? But why do people pack themselves up with junk food? Until you know this, you should stop pretending you do.
- The most simple reason: It tastes good, and it is quite cheap if you consider cost vs. calories. Of course there are more reasons, but that one is the most basic and obvious one.
- What am I pretending to know?
There are cases where fat people make a turn around and find healthier ways to deal with stress and lose a lot of weight. But guess what? They do it when they want to – if they want to – when they’re ready. Not because some turd with a blog says it’s “bad” and makes them “shiver”.
- Well, that’s fantastic! And I’m sure that there are many different reasons why people manage to find the inspiration they need to make a positive change. MANY different reasons because there are MANY different types of people. It seems that you are simplifying this point, and are speaking on behalf of all fat people, of which I do not believe you are a good representative.
You know, life isn’t easy. And I think it’s fair for me to make the assumption that yours is not easy either. (Truly happy people are non-judgmental) With that said, we have to deal with in life that not everyone is going to please our senses (both intellectually and physically). We are all stuck on this planet together, and at some point in time, you’re going to have to learn to deal with the ugly people you are forced to walk with on the streets as we’re forced to have to listen to your rhetoric out in the great wide open as well. Just like fatties must deal or find healthier ways to cope with their problems, so do you. Telling fat people that (whether directly or not) that they are less than human and shouldn’t exist in your world is far worse than being morbidly obese. Yes, this is what your blog says!
- No. You are wrong. I have NEVER EVER said that “they are less than human and shouldn’t exist”. As I started out this post with, I offer “tough love”. While I am harsh and somewhat demeaning, my purpose remains to offer motivation for some people. Mind you, this is most likely a very narrow slice of the population that would react positively to my - on the surface - negative blog. If they, and you, react purely negatively to my blog, then goodbye. Take your frustrations out on a cheesecake. Not me.
My brother died from being too fat (re: heart problems). I never really saw him “happy” growing up. And he never asked for help… not even once. He did life all by himself without you “holding his hand”. And I never really got too upset about his death. Why? Because (no, I don’t believe in God) I know that whatever state of mind or lack of mind he is in now – is much better than his having been alive! So, in a way I feel that he hit the jackpot! I am happy for him.
- I am sorry you lost your brother. If his life was less than pleasant, then I understand why you would say that you are happy for him that it is over. Look: My blog is here for those who need a kick in the pants. If you don’t believe someone like him would have benefited from this type of in your face writing, then again, I’m not forcing anyone to read my blog. They can look elsewhere.
If facts don’t scare you, read through all these articles and please challenge them one by one:
http://del.icio.us/ticklebug/cushings (It’s more than two pages of research).
- That’s a bunch of info about Cushings. So? We already talked about that. Why are you bringing it up again? Do you think that all or most fat people have Cushings disease/syndrome? I’m sure you don’t, so why would I need to challenge the articles? Cushings does often cause abnormal weight gain. What is there to argue with? When I speak about severely overweight people having poor diets, I am purely talking about that. If someone happens to have a disease of which a side affect is weight gain, and they have superb diets, then I am not talking about them. However, if they have the disease and have extremely poor diets, I am sure that their quality of life living with it would be much better if they ate foods that better nurtured their bodies.
And I have no idea where the hell you get that people sympathize with fat people? *yawn* – another tired cliche… Are we living in the same world? Sir, you are sorely confusing sympathy with acceptance. Acceptance meaning you are OK sharing the planet with those different from YOU. It’s starts there and ends there. Just because you don’t see fat people getting stoned in the streets, doesn’t mean that people are “sympathizing” with them. Sure, maybe there exists sympathy toward some. But to debunk the myths that you believe in hon, we fatties don’t ask for or look for sympathy!
- The only time I said that fat people are wanting sympathy is when they utter the statement “I have tried everything” when referring to their attempts at losing weight. I’m not going to explain that one again, but you can read it again. Also, again, you are speaking of “acceptance” in a way that suggests that the differences between obese people and fit people are as simple – quite literally – as black and white. You seem to be the one over-simplifying things.
You are telling people in your blog that you won’t hold their hands and bla bla walk them through life bla bla . Um… hold hands for WHAT exactly? lol —- seriously —- where do you get this crap from? WE DON’T FUCKING NEED YOU (let alone a stranger who pretends to be a doctor), YOUR SYMPATHY, YOU CODDLING OR WHATEVER THE FUCK. Here’s what we need. Accept and deal with us on your turf because it’s ours too. That’s it.
- By saying I’m not going to “hold your hand and walk you through your fat life”, what I mean is this: There are so many instances in modern society where people are asked to unreasonably accommodate certain members of that society, even if it benefits no one, especially those that ask for it, because in the long run they will not have benefited from anything.
- Just like the “No Child Left Behind” act in the U.S., one way that schools try to make sure that everyone passes the tests, is by lowering the passing grade. WHO THE HELL does that benefit?
- Obesity rates are skyrocketing among children, and so are their rates of type 2 diabetes, hypertension, ADD, asthma, and sleep apnea. Yet, our government does very little to help this problem. They actually make it worse by forcing schools to close their physical activity programs in leu of achieving a certain performance level on tests, as well as not providing enough funding for schools to provide a healthier alternative to the processed/fried foods they serve in the cafeterias.
- You may not feel as though you want anyone to feel sorry for you, or to accommodate you, but there are plenty of fat people that do. Have you never heard of people suing restaurants or movie theatres or airlines because they didn’t have chairs that were wide enough for their rotund backsides? Those people are asking these huge companies to spend a lot of money to accommodate them. While the number of people that require a seat that is twice as wide as your average seat is rising, I do not believe that is a good reason for these businesses to make such drastic changes.
- So, I pretend to be a doctor? Damn, you caught me. All those times I signed my blogs with “McBloggenstein M.D.” were just a lie.
And despite popular belief, we don’t NEED someone else’s “words of wisdom” from a blog to know that we have a problem. WE’RE FAT BUT WE’RE NOT STUPID. Again, somehow you think this land is yours. No. It’s ours. Deal.
In fact, nobody knows why I am fat. The only people that know I have Cushings is my immediate family and closest friends!! I um don’t walk up to people in the street and ask them to cry me a river boo hoo. Hon, we take care just fine without you. Sympathy, attention, insults, or whatever…….. none of that erm…. makes us thin. We (if we’ve made a conscious decision to get fat) make those decisions (when and how) for ourselves on our dime – on our time.
- I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but you and I both live in a world that is obsessed with image. If you don’t believe that, then you are in denial. Sympathy, attention, insults, whatever: those are all things that can result from the way people view each other. And guess what? They can cause people to have a poor self image of themselves, and they will probably either gain weight, or lose weight. A little fluctuation is just fine, but ballooning up a couple hundred pounds, or becoming anorexic, are both not fine. I am aware that insults and ridicule can serve to lower a persons self image, but I am attempting to do it in a way that offers an insightful way to look at the problem, along with some humor. A-g-a-i-n, I’m not forcing anyone to read my blog. If it’s not your cup of tea, have a nice day.
So, yes, you are bigoted because people don’t “choose” to be fat for a living. But again, I can see why you think that way. It’s a lot easier and it allows you to keep on hating. Busting your myths only crushes your world. The world that allows you to get out all that’s bottled up inside you. It allows you to continue to hold on to YOUR OWN HABIT.
Anyway, fat people are taking over the planet, pal. Get over it and quit your bitching. It’s intolerant assholes in society like you that cause people to do all sorts of crazy shit. And your blog is part of the crazy shit people do when they’ve been dealt a bad hand in life. Just because your problems aren’t visible to the human eye, doesn’t mean they cannot be seen through your writing and behavior. And before you cry that fatties are the only ones “making excuses” or “playing the blame game”, so are you! You are no different from those with substance/food abuse problems. You are addicted to being a hateful jerkoff.
- Although this last psychoanalyzation is incorrect, it is very well said! A good conclusion to your dissertation.
- What “myths” of mine have been busted? What “myths” did you bust with this email? Because you said oh so specific statements like I ignore “the facts”, does that mean you’ve won an argument?
- Why do you hate science? (just kidding… inside joke)
- You may be right, fat people are taking over the planet. That’s what scares me. If being intolerant means that I don’t want to allow my world to be overcome by overstuffed sedentary sloths, then hell yes I’m intolerant. If it means that I will never be accepting of someone just because they are different than me, then no, I am not intolerant.
- I am very different from the intolerant assholes that decide they need to lynch those that are different than them. I choose to write about a specific type of people with an open mind, and I am open to discussion. An intolerant asshole would forgo any intelligent conversation, and immediately judge and prosecute.
- I have never said that fat people are the only ones “making excuses”. There are plenty of other types of people out there that have issues and don’t take responsibility. I’m sure there are other blogs out there that talk about them. Go find them and email them.
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Exhausted…
need
bacon.
To my readers: Just because I spent way too much time responding to this person’s email pointing out all of the fallacies in her argument, doesn’t mean you shouldn’t write me if you have an issue or a question. But if you make a horrible argument and call me a bunch of names, I can’t promise I won’t ridicule you for all the world to see.
P.S. Does anyone know where I can find a “Hateful Jerk-offs Anonymous” meeting?

Why are you always ignoring the facts? The Facts don’t lie. And the fact is that facts are facts, and if you’re not willing to accept the facts, then you shouldn’t even be bringing up the facts. When are you going to face up to the fact that you don’t know all the facts or have all the facts? And the fact of the matter is that your blog is a factual fumble.
You did a lot better job than I would have done responding to that email. I would have first demanded an argument with better spelling and grammar. If you can spell numbskull, then you can call me one.
Hello! I just found your reply here. I found your response actually quite polite about my cursing you than I had expected. And I DO love cheesecake!
Ok.
Yes, I do agree that the society is image-obsessed.
I also do agree that there are fat people who don’t try ANYTHING. Trying something can even be visiting and doctor — which eventually is leading me on the road to health… because I went and did something about it. But those that don’t do stuff about ANY problem kinda irritate me too.
Fat people, just like any others, do lie. Yes, I’m aware of that just as I’m aware of alcoholics that are in denial.
No, I do not want you to celebrate fat people!! When I said “celebrate the differences”, I meant to rebut this argument:
Why does this scare you?
I’m with you here: I got pissed off when I found those people suing McDonalds for making them fat. I got just as pissed at that as I did your blog when I initially found your site!
Let me also just say that I’m not pretending to be a tolerant person myself. If you look at my blog, you can see that yourself.
No, I do not think you cause people to get depressed with your blog or with your attitude, intolerance, or whatever. If someone DOES get depressed by people that mock fat people, then they were already depressed to begin with.
I am not a frequent reader of your blog, but I just happened upon it. And just as you exercise your freedom of opinion, so was I. I mean you really cannot expect to make your opinions public and not expect some hate mail.
I got some too, and I expect to get even more hatemail as my blog is quite on the controversial side. We bloggers gotta deal with this stuff on both ends.
I don’t think you should stop what you’re doing – even though I was initially annoyed by your wordings.
Let me just say that it just doesn’t come off so nice to lump all fat people into the same, “I’ve tried everything – please sympathize with me” group. If your blog is about just those fat people that both lie and don’t try, than I agree.
I had suspected that when you see a fat person in the street that you automatically ASSUME that she’s one of “them”. Or do you?
Thanks for replying.
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Fat people are taking over the planet, and they are being led by – http://www.newhopeblog.com/archives/homerfatpride1gt.jpg
By the way (I refuse to use IM speak {BTW,lol, etc}), WOW – That was exciting. Better than a Kimbo Slice streetfight.
After reading the initial post with your responses, I actually got a little concerned for you Bloggy.
Virgomonkey seemed a little, what’s the word,…hmm… PSYCHO!
But then she went ahead an blew it with a polite and reasoned response to your response.
Damn it. I was expecting another verbal donnybrook. (hockey term for you unlucky non-Canucks)
But seriously, we all know that obesity is not a simple topic. People are fat for lots of different reasons, nature and nurture.
McBloggenstein has a very polarizing point of view when it comes to the topic.
Most people wouldn’t agree with him.
That doesn’t make him wrong.
He challenges every reader to think about obesity. Really think.
I am sure a lot of people think he is an asshole.
But I bet that if any person who wanted to lose weight asked Bloggy for advice, he would do his best to help that person.
Answer the question if he felt qualified to do so, and/or try and help find the answer if he didn’t feel qualified.
Re: the 10% argument. – There is NO data proving how many people are fact due to an underlying genetic abnormality. Obesity is poorly understood by the experts. Any claim that certain conditions doom a person to obesity is crap.
There may be a STRONG disposition, but that is far cry from being able to place full blame on a genetic cause.
The study of epigenetics looks at the interplay between genetics (nature) and lifestyle (nurture). It is still in it’s infancy, but may prove helpful in the future in helping design custom lifestyle programs to help people combat potentially deadly genetic predispositions.
Sorry, verbal diarrhea struck again
p.s Happy that you got your first hate mail Bloggy
oops
There is NO data proving how many people are fat – not fact
What is with that word?
I was being sarcastic. Look at the comment I was replying to!
And no – my dissent to a blog like this … once again doesn’t mean I am a believe in “Fat Pride”, and I have no clue why you feel the need to tell me this? If you read my original mail, then read my reply, you’d know. For the most part, the author of this blog and I are (are you sitting down?) agreeing!
And again, I get hate mail too. We all do. I even have a special page dedicated to it on my blog. I, however, wouldn’t exactly confuse being pissed with psycho. Jumping to conclusions? Absolutely. Did I strike a nerve here and ruffle some feathers? Absolutely. I agree my dissent or misunderstandings could have been written more politely so as to not offend.
For the record, the majority of my commenters think I’m wrong too. Anyone holding a controversial topic on their blog has to expect dissent and yes…. that includes the PSYCHO-dissents.
It must have been the 6897105863447 cheesecakes I had last night. (Again, sarcasm… sighs…)
If anybody wants a job, I am willing to hire the team (commenters) here to read my blog and correct all of my grammar, misspellings, and errs in sentence structure since I’m too retarded to form a coherent statement. I can sure use the help since you guys seem to be void of err, typos, and shorthand usage even in the form of humour (that’s for the Canucks).
Any players? You know where I am. I will pay.
So, lets move off fat pride and on to grammar usage. Please correct this too.
Please cite where I said something was “fact” when it wasn’t? Where was I giving actual statistics and numbers on anything that wasn’t substantiated (including the links that I offered)?
Basically, all that I was trying to say is that if you see a fattie in the street, that it’s not nice to judge that person until you know what their situation is and if they’re a whiner or a liar or not. But I think some just couldn’t get passed the fact that I spelled “numbskull” incorrectly. I can see that my knee-jerk reactions are contagious here.
As far as getting help for being fat. Since I personally don’t care about the welfare of strangers, I would only expect randoms on the internet to not give a shit about me either. That is why I questioned the author’s agenda. I cannot imagine why strangers would be interested in giving genuine aid to someone who is struggling. If it was a person that had been there and understands, THAT would be a bit different. But in the original post in the “mission statement” area of this blog the author speaks of his confusion about how fat people get fat and how that he is scared of sharing the planet with too many fatties as he just recently replied to me. Usually people who want to help, won’t insult.
It’s only common sense (to me) that if you don’t understand a problem, that you’re not going to be too good at helping one either. At least those in the medical and mental arena are (or as we should expect) qualified. But then again, the author states that he was joking in some parts. Not everyone is always going to understand someone’s humor – just as someone misunderstood mine here. That’s life. I can see where it’s frustrating, though because I’m still trying to figure out why so many Canucks don’t get the humor in “Blame Canada” and are rather offended.
But if you want to seriously debate this topic with me, please properly quote me (I’m not talking to the author because I think it’s already settled now that I know where he’s coming from.) and we can work it from there.
P.S. And if you get offended by the occasional “lol” and “wtf” on the internet, you better stop playing on the internet because life’s only going to get harder and harder on you. You poor thing. What do you do when something really traumatic happens? I’d hate to find out! I do occasionally abbreviate. But that’s your problem to deal with. Not mine. And if you’re going to correct other’s people’s writing, I see errors in your own. You probably want to write perfectly if you don’t want to sound like a hypocrite.
Thanks for playing.
“I personally don’t care about the welfare of strangers”
Sad
Please cite where I said something was “fact” when it wasn’t?
Statement of Fact #1
I hate to break the news to you, but it’s way more than 10% that cannot control their “fat destination”.
Proof?
Statement of Fact #2
I am one of them.
Cushing’s Disease does not guarantee obesity. Untreated Cushing’s Disease is likely to result in central adiposity due to the typical resistance to insulin. Like Type 2 diabetics, insulin resistance can be minimized by proper dietary carbohydrate selections. Not necessarily easy or enjoyable, but possible.
Statement of Fact #3
I have Cushings Disease. Like Thyroid Disease, it’s supposed to be about “10 % or less” of the population that gets this. That’s incorrect. It’s 10% or less of the population that DOESN’T GO MISDIAGNOSED.
Proof? How can you prove a mis-diagnosis? How do you prove or disprove a negative? Perhaps I am getting a little too philosophical.
If the general estimate of Cushing’s Syndrome is 10 to 15 million Americans per year and Cushing’s Disease is a subset of Cushings Syndrome, and the U.S. pop is approximately 300 million, that would mean you know as a fact that at least 30 million Americans have Cushing’s Disease
Wow, those doctors really suck. Or is that just your opinion?
Statement of Fact #4
This is the same with any glandular disease (hereditary or not).
ditto
Statement of Fact #5
Well, guess what? Most doctors out there think like you.
Which polling firm did you use to collect this generalization?
Statement of Fact #6
Most doctors just tell all fat patients to diet and exercise and quickly dismiss them.
OK, you might be right about this one.
However, that doesn’t mean that a healthy diet & exercise won’t help.
Populations that experience unusual longevity have certain traits in common – healthy diet, physically active, good social network, faith – The Blue Zone Project has some good info on this subject for the layperson.
BTW (happy?), walking out of a doctor’s office and inhaling a pizza because he told you to move more and eat less isn’t healthy behavior; it’s martyrdom.
Statement of Fact #7
THAT IS WHY SO FEW ARE PROPERLY DIAGNOSED, YOU NUMSKULL!
Anyone diagnosed with an endocrine disorder knows that this is a very complex medical condition; not easily diagnosed.
My diabetes clients, my lupus clients, my fibro clients, my thyroid clients and my endo asthma client know almost as much about their conditions as their doctors.
Proactive people who bust their ass to stay ahead of their condition.
Statement of Fact #8
To be fair, I should be about 20-30 lbs overweight because I don’t always eat right
based on ???
Statement of Fact #9
but the 80 lbs I am overweight (or FAT) is due to excess hormone cortisol that is being secreted in my body.
based on ???
My personal statement of fact
I don’t know you. I have never walked in your shoes. I have some idea of what kind of impact your disorder can have upon you. I have some idea of the frustration that you must have had trying to get any real answers from doctors.
I have had my own frustrations with the medical community.
However, I have no intention of debating this topic with you. I gave up long ago trying to logically discuss a topic with a person whose ego is so intrinsically bonded to that topic.
Whether it is religion, politics or in this case, obesity, it just is not worth my time.
I would like to wish you the best of luck with your condition and your life.
I hope you are one of the lucky ones who can have a successful removal of the tumor.
I understand that the Gamma knife procedure is producing superior results to the standard procedure.
Please pay attention to the context! In this context, if one is fat, anorexic, I won’t offer help unless they ask me for it – then I will give my advice. I place priority on my family, friends and loved ones. If I care for a stranger, I am genuinely caring for them instead of putting up a facade of “care” while insulting them at the same time. This is the point I’m trying to make here. I talk about rape, bullying, and crimes in the US on my blog. I sympathize for these people while not pouring more salt into the wound.
I have already provided links. Have you no curiosity to do some personal research? You’re right though. It’s not a scientific fact. But where does the author’s 10% come from? Where’s the proof in that since you are backing all of his claims? If you knew how many glandular patients go undiagnosed, it would be natural to assume that it’s not the minority. It’s a hunch based on my research. Now, here’s a real fact. Neither one of us know the REAL numbers, do we? But what is the harm in doing some independent research outside the love of twinkies?
How was I making a “fact” here? I just said I am one of them. I also am a member of a Cushings Help Forum, but I reckon that according to you, they are all Munchausen’s patients. Have you ever done in depth research on Cushings?
I will provide the link again:
http://del.icio.us/ticklebug/cushings?setcount=100
It will take some time. But I’m to take it that you’re not a lazy person and have a genuine interest in this kind of stuff, so I’m sure you wouldn’t mind doing this research. There’s about 200 or so links there. I was forced to research for myself as doctor after doctor continued to dismiss me. Interestingly enough, following my tumor removal, I have lost weight and feel much better. Basically, I helped myself. My symptoms are not 100% gone, but my overall heath has improved immensely since my surgery.
Cushings Disease is a pituitary source and Cushings Syndrome is an adrenal source. I’m assuming I don’t have to explain this to you, right? Just read what I have there.
And I wrote a post on this long ago that you can feel free to debate me on: http://virgomonkey.wordpress.com/2008/04/18/fat-america/
That is — if you’re not afraid of opinions that differ from your own?
More importantly, what polling firm do you get your information that the majority of fat people just simply love twinkies? Anyway, ditto — as above. Read those links. Everything is there. No. None of us can, once again, provide specific numbers, but it gives you a good idea that glandular diseases are the hardest to diagnose based on their complexity. And two, there is a big fat stigma in the US where a lot of doctors (I’m including my own personal experiences along with those links that I provided) just see a fattie and dismiss them telling them to eat right and exercise even if the patient is eating properly and living an active life. Read – and try to have an open mind. I used to think like you did until it happened to me.
And once again, where do you get that I’m stating these as solidified “facts”. You keep repeating this over and over again. It’s quite interesting that the author of this blog gets a free get out of jail pass for stating percentages going unchallenged. However, any dissent to the author is forced to come up with numbers. This is why I feel that you have an agenda and a closed mind. And wow… a HUGE ego to boot!
It depends on the patient and what they have. In the case of Cushings, this is false (for the most part) from what I have read based on professional sites that I’ve already provided and from personal accounts on a Cushings-Help forum. Some patients have been known to gain more weight from exercise. Sounds surprising, eh? It’s all in those links. I would give you a link to a non-professional site with actual patient’s cases, but I’m afraid that it’s not scientific enough for you – yes, in the real world as well as you can always challenge whether or not people are telling the truth. In any event, you can always read this site: http://cushings.invisionzone.com/index.php? —- but you have to become a member first.
If you REALLY want to get philosophical, you can even disregard all together actual scientific polls, statistics, and percentages. Why? Because even the best of the best make mistakes. Notice how science is always developing every year. Notice how we learned such and such in the 60’s, but in the 70’s the opposite was true. Things are changing all the time. Nothing, with that said, is absolute. Now, that’s some philosophy!
Oh hun… I’m not arguing that. There are hundreds of things that come into play that can cause obesity. Basically, all I was arguing against is hating others just because their are fat – and only for that reason. People forget that we’re human too and have feelings. How hard is this for you to grasp?
Can you please quote me properly or stop placing words in my mouth? That would be a refreshing change, no? I am not disagreeing with you, there! I have a thick skin. I even wrote an a piece on my blog 3 years ago about your opinion. AND I AGREE.
http://virgomonkey.wordpress.com/2005/08/24/how-thin-skinned-are-we-becomming/
Seriously, are you confusing me with someone else? No. I’m genuinely curious.
That’s me. And I’m very proud of myself because if it weren’t for my busting my ass to get my health back, I’d still be suffering. So, that’s especially why I HATE being grouped in with those fat people that just simply don’t care yet whine about it looking for sympathy.
I never said every line or even most of my lines in my original email was fact. THEY ARE OPINIONS. Some are facts. You use hyperbole to win an argument? Is that the way you roll?
Hmmm…. do you not find it interesting that I’ve lost weight following the months after my surgery? But if I ate properly, I’d be at about 115 lbs – which is where I want to be. Did you not see where I said, “about”? Or are you just more interested in semantics?
Look. I’ll give it to you all. You win. You win. I cannot provide any information on a scientific level outside the sites I’ve already spit out here. You caught me red-handed. I’ll humbly take my defeat and leave it to you doctors/professionals to decide.
Oh dear… so now you’re wanting a hold of my medical records? You’re not serious, are you? I have an endocrinologist and a neurologist on my case. I still see them for follow ups. What? You want their phone numbers? You want me to submit a fax of their words? Or an email? You are nuts. And you just simply just want to argue for the sake of arguing because you find yourself so important. Drop the ego. If you don’t trust my personal account that I’ve already stated, that’s fine. It’s your choice to believe or not believe the fact that my cortisol numbers were high prior to surgery and normalized after surgery. You go on now and make me out to be a whiny lying twinkie lover. And you claim to be actually IN THIS FIELD? No seriously. I care for strangers – especially for all those patients you don’t believe! If you cannot believe my success story – how can you believe your own patients. Talk about sad!
See, now you know what it feels like to put words in someone else’s mouth.
Where you get ego out of this, I have no clue. I’ve had my surgery. It’s done. I’ve moved on long ago. Keep in mind again, the author of this blog is making up percentages and using abbreviations, and you’re choosing ME to attack. I think you’re projecting. The ego problem is with you.
If saying that hating people because they’re fat is wrong is an ego problem, then you are right. I have a big ego. It’s just that you use an entirely different dictionary.
And there you were earlier playing grammar police, and tell me I have an ego? I point out your hypocrisy and agenda, and just because you cannot handle dissent, you have to come up with something, right? Ego? Naw…. that is you.
I’ve admitted already where I had been wrong in my reply to the author. People with egos don’t do this. I cannot imagine you ever admitting to anything less that perfect of yourself. And that is sad too.
Ditto for me. I shall not waste my time debating with you any longer. But I do appreciate your “concern” for my health.
“ooo sheet did 1 meke an tipo? Damm…. plz tech me 2b az perfectz az u – congredulaztions 4 nvr meking typoz. mmmm ur so my herewow.”
Spell-check: Just a couple clicks stand between you sounding like an overweight person with an opinion and sounding like a fat idiot.
Wow. Never have I read anything (such as the email that was sent to you) that is so set on a stance before actually reading through your blog. I don’t read your blog often, but I’ve read it enough to know a.) fat people taking over the world scares you (not cause they are not nice to look at), but more because it’s a health concern & really sad when obesity takes over someone’s life… b.) I haven’t ever read anything that suggests you want to shoot fat people, one by one. That’s kinda scary that she even mentions it.
Like I said, this girl that wrote you just didn’t take time to read all points, she had her debate ready from the title.
Oh & I often struggle with the weight thing… and just to give a little back up here, you eat healthier and you feel better. The kinds of food that help build energy are very different than the twinkies that you are so jealous of fat people eating!
Hey!
Sorry I’ve been missing in action on this debate. Thanks for being a good sport, Virgomonkey.
In regards to the points made between you and DR, I think a lot of it is based on mis-understood tonality with each others words and writing style, so there’s no need to keep going back and forth.
There are a couple of points that I will address though to maybe clear up some of this debate:
If you’re still confused as to why I’m concerned that fat people are becoming the majority, the comment by Steph makes a good point. I really do just think it’s sad that more and more people are succumbing to a culture that makes it too easy for a person to be sedentary and unhealthy. It angers me that too many people let this happen to them, and they don’t fight back. They let themselves fall into the growing stereotype that I think most people are lazy. It just says a lot about a culture as a whole. There are of course many ways to tell if a person is lazy or not… being fat just happens to be the most obvious sign. Before you come back and tell me that I believe ALL fat people are lazy, I didn’t say that. I would say that I believe a majority of them can absolutely do more to help their situation if they wanted to. I’m sure you would agree with that. I wish I could say that I don’t make a lot of assumptions when I see a fat person, but I do. I don’t think that makes me intolerant. Stereotypes usually exist for a reason. I do think that the majority of fat people don’t enjoy being fat, and if they tried harder, or at all, they could lose some of that fat. While the numbers and percentages of people that can do at least the slightest bit to control their “fat fate” are debatable, the fact remains that there will always be people that perpetuate those stereotypes.
The collective diet of a society influences a LOT more than just the size of peoples waistlines. It has an impact on the economy, jobs, healthcare, even the environment. I am not opposed to the idea that a change in the collective diet of a nation can be the single biggest factor in helping to “save” the environment.
In reference to the jokes made about some of your typos and grammatical mistakes, Jarrod is exactly right. Spell-Check is a wonderful thing. It really does make a big difference in how people see you if you’re trying to make an intelligent and strong point, yet you don’t check your writing when you’re done.
Virgomonkey: you defend yourself by asking “where do you get that I’m stating these as solidified “facts”? You must not be aware of the language you are using. In your original email to me, besides using the word “fact” many times, you use phrases such as: “That’s a fact…” and “Should you pay more attention to facts…” and “Knowing the facts…” and “If facts don’t scare you, then…” Besides saying things like this, you don’t actually state any facts, you merely provide a link to a post on your blog, and a link to 100+ links you have gathered on Cushings. Here is why that didn’t help your point at all: It was like someone saying “AIDS started from people in Africa having sex with monkeys… It’s true, look it up on the internet!” This person obviously doesn’t know what they are talking about. They heard a rumor, read a couple of websites saying the same thing which reinforced it as truth in their mind, then spread the rumor as if it was a fact. Now, I am NOT saying that this is what you did AT ALL, or that your sources aren’t reliable. But, your argument appeared just as flawed to me. You are the one trying to argue a specific point. If you would like to prove your point, you must be the one to provide the specific website or publication that backs you up. You can not expect other people to do the searching for you. You have obviously spent many many hours collecting that list of links. You did this because you have a VERY specific and personal interest in that disease. You can’t assume that another persons interest in a general topic would lead them to search your entire list to find the proof of point that you say they provide.
DR makes a good point that you don’t have proof as to why you are specifically 80 pounds overweight, and besides the Cushings, you say your not-so-great diet would have you at only 20-30 pounds overweight. He asks for proof of this because those numbers are pretty specific. You may have used some sort of calculator to determine how much you should weigh for your height, age, etc… but those methods are not always very accurate. Basically, unless you are able to say that you were once at your ideal weight (due to a good diet and lifestyle) and maintained it for several years before you got Cushings, you probably don’t know an exact number from which to base your overweight numbers on. Also, because you admit that you don’t always eat right, it can be hard to know the exact cause of your weight fluctuations. No one is saying that you didn’t notice an abnormal weight gain when the Cushings symptoms started, followed by a weight loss after the tumor was removed. But to assign any specific number to a specific cause would require all other factors to remain constant. Those being your diet and lifestyle, which would be difficult to prove one way or the other.
Finally, you said this:
Whether or not you are kidding and being totally sarcastic, I’m afraid this means this debate is over. As I’m realizing, I’m too good at debating to let an argument like yours get away with anything.
Ugh. It’s physically and mentally draining trying to anticipate all responses to anything I write. As well as tacking on a disclaimer after any statement that could be read incorrectly.
Stay tuned for more much missed bacon posts!
But I find it interesting that a lot of people that whine about spelling mistakes and typos do it themselves. I spelled, “numbskull” incorrectly. That was all he saw in my post. I find that a bit silly to not take my entire post not seriously due to one or a couple of misspellings, but that’s just me. I am more mature than that and let minutiae slide by because I know that we are all human.
For the record, I DO use spellcheck, but numbskull isn’t in MY dictionary! All my writing goes through Google gmail first before it’s published. I also have an internal spell checker through my browser as well. It was clear to me, he just wanted to “act cool” (so typical of today’s youth) rather than to debate the issues I put on the table. I appreciate, however, his efforts to garner attention. It worked.
Also if you type, for example, “that” instead of “than” as a typo, your spellchecker won’t see that!!! I proofread my work at least three times before I publish it. If it still has typos, I’ll eventually find them later (as in my blog). Did you know that even professional journalists have their own work proofread a few times before publishing, and even I can find their mistakes.
Just some trivia for the smart asses who think they’re better than everyone else.
And isn’t it always interesting that when one AGREES with a person how they conveniently IGNORE that person’s spelling, grammar, and errs in writing style? Hmm…
I always bring these questions up, and to date, nobody has ever been able to answer them – especially the one above. Can anybody write me and at least answer that. I am very curious as to why when someone is agreed with, why their mistakes go unchallenged.
As far as facts are concerned, the links had the facts in them. Most of those links are written by members of the medical community – not by Dolly Parton and Homer Simpson.
But I do know that you and DR are interested. DR is a doctor – that proves interest enough. And you are claiming to wonder how and why people become so fat. Those links from the del.icio.us site that I compiled would really help you a lot to better in your road understanding fat people because isn’t this what your blog is about? Or at least a part of it?
Again, it’s not all about glandular diseases. Eating is also an addiction. There’s a reason why cheescake tastes so good. It’s comfort food. There’s also a reason why people drink too much, watch TV too much, smoke cigarettes too much, depend too much on substances to make them… feel good. There’s a reason. I also use this reasoning for those that are religious fanatics as well. We ALL rely on crutches in life to “fix us” or to make ourselves get by through the rough patches in life. Even exercising TOO MUCH is dangerous. Anything out of moderation is not healthy. But the reason people have so many problems with fat people is because YOU CAN SEE their addiction and fat people are UGLY and gross to look at. I am having a hard time finding blogs out there saying, “Why are you such an alcoholic?”, “Why do you take so many drugs”…. Sure there are people taking about addictions – all of them. But the main focus is on “fat people” because they are known to be less than human in society and make more than just you “shiver”.
Also, a blog will garner a lot more hits, support, and attention if it’s about fat people. I saw a person using “fat people” as a tag in their blog post (when it wasn’t about fatties) only to get more attention to it.
And wouldn’t you think that your readers would like some substantial backup from you? (If they hate fatties too – naturally they won’t). But I had been wondering why your words “the 10%” went unchallenged. I would like to think that your blog should contain more documents from the medical community looking at EVERY angle of this issue to be fair.
Your readers keep bringing things up ad nauseam – those things that I’ve already covered up above. I will reiterate. Yes, there are fat people who outright lie. Yes, there are fat people who say that they’ve tried everything, ask for help, and do nothing about their problems. And, once again, those people ANNOY ME TOO!
By the way, while stereotypes DO exist for a reason, but the people that fall for them are worse than those being judged without question. They are often looking at a “percentage” of people that exist in a group. Nobody has ever been able to prove how much of this group does that, how much does that and whatnots. Here’s the problem with stereotypes. Americans are said to be the fattest nation on earth, right? Even Americans believe this. Because that is how brainwashing works. When you hear the same thing over and over again, you start to believe in it. And lazy people will never challenge it or develop an independent opinion via critical thinking. When you think of an American, you think of them as fat. But this is incorrect as Australia is the fattest nation on earth. I’ve already documented this here. I have no respect for people that rely on stereotypes. Additionally, stereotypes have never proven to be “a majority”. So, by falling for stereotypes, you are lumping all types of people into one convenient group. So, as you can see, it’s not just spelling mistakes that make people feel you cannot take one’s text seriously. Content and prejudices relying on stereotypes as proof is also something not worthy of taking seriously. Does that make sense? Disclaimer: I’m not talking about your blog. But some may not take YOU seriously as you fall for fat people stereotypes. And whatever happened to “there’s a reason for everything”? Don’t we all do things that don’t make sense to others?
Also, I find that a lot of people who are annoyed by the “fat stereotypes” are also those same people that don’t believe in psychology. They think it to be more of doctors devoting their lives to giving people an excuse for behaving as they do. Is that stereotype true?
I am wondering why people keep missing this message. It’s like everything has to be white or black – when this topic has so many grays. I say a couple of other reasons as to why others can be fat, and instead of reading my entire diatribe, people just automatically assume that I am part of a “Fat Pride” club organized by Homer Simpson and support “Fat Rights”. Where did I ever say or even imply that I am standing up for the fatties that lie and try to garner sympathy? Heck, I’m even against an extra free seat for fat people on the airlines. You guys have no idea how “tough loving” I am myself and TO MYSELF. Your readers are just as emotional as I am about this topic. At least, I know that I’m not alone in misreading things! And you think YOU need a disclaimer behind every sentence? No. For me too.
One day all of you are going to be accused of something that you haven’t done. You are going to be upset about it. If tables were to be turned around here, we’d see that in action. You will deny this until it happens to you.
I am going by my BMI which is nobody’s business. My doctor wants me to be between 115 and 125. I know that I eat too much rice and that if I cut rice back a bit in my diet, that right now, I would be even better off and closer to my goal. While I was making “an absolute” over my current BMI and my goal, I wasn’t making an absolute over how much I’d be overweight if I hadn’t been eating two cups a rice a day instead of one. That’s the beauty of the word, “about” as it means “I’m just guessing”. According to recent blood work, I still have excess cortisol in my system, but my cortisol numbers have declined a lot since before my surgery. I’ve been told to wait a year and a half before I see absolute results. And I could upload all of my blood work and 24 hour UFC’s (Um doctors use this abbreviation too so don’t pee your pants, ya hear?) here as “proof” that DR wants, but I refuse to do that. It is very unreasonable for people to want my personal details. I’d rather just be called a liar and just get it over with.
I do. I have pictures to prove this. My endocrinologist wanted a picture profile of myself going far back into my past. But I am not willing to upload this online because of the humiliating nature of your blog. People would just laugh at how big my face is now compared the way I had always been until I reached my mid-30’s. So, I’d like to think I know myself a little bit more than online strangers that I’ve never met. I don’t write exact numbers because people here would have a nice party with them. I have been living in my body for 39 years, and I’m not one of those fat people in denial. But basically I look like I am pregnant. I have thin arms and legs, and have a protruding belly and bloated face. So, I will only go so far with personal details. Call it a “teaser” if you will. I am sure many more irrational assumptions will be made of me over the information I’ve already given out. But I am not going to open up the entire can of worms also because I don’t want to keep arguing my point here. In fact, this will be my last as nobody can seriously and medically judge me unless they know me, my medical past, my medical present, and all of my records on file at my neurosurgeon’s and endocrinologist’s office.
That says a lot right there, doesn’t it? But I am taking responsibility for weight that wouldn’t be there if it weren’t for a couple of things here and there that I’m guilty of. That is why I had mentioned that. I choose to be a bit overweight. But I haven’t chosen to be THIS much overweight. My doctors understand this too and read my charts as I write down everything that I eat. Let’s just say that before I got Cushings (full-throttle), my weight was XXX. I was healthy, active, had all my hair, no bruising, healthy muscles, good feelings, and so on. I should have been thinner. I had a little belly flab and that was it. I loved my body, regardless. My legs, arms, and face had always looked normal if not a bit on the skinny side for my legs and arms. I have had a protruding belly (not that big but big enough to think I was oddly shaped) since I was a kid, but always with skinny arms and legs. So, did my biological mother.
With everything that I say, I let one worm out of the jar. With each worm I let out, more are to be expected to come out which would require me to tell how all this happened and go into things deep and far in my past. You are probably thinking why does that count, well., let’s just say I don’t want to open any more worms because I would have to trust strangers that are against me, and who’d do that? The Cushings’s forum is the only place I feel safe to get personal. That’s where I have pictures, notes from doctors and the whole works. I know those people aren’t going to hurt me. However, on a site like this where most people hate fatties REGARDLESS of their accounts, forget about it – I can only go so far. Am I am sure you understand this. So far, you are the only one who hasn’t put me down. But I still don’t trust people who haven’t been in my shoes.
Out in the public, unlike the fat people you meet everyday (the liar whiners), I am a very positive, bubbly, and the type of person that likes to enjoy life. I am more concerned about being with my loved ones and my hobbies.
If the debate was with just you, that would be different. But others here were being unreasonable for me. And it just wasn’t worth it. And I won’t be back because chances are more nonsensical minutiae will be brought up.
Oh and by the way, to all the pituitary patients that may be reading this, the Gamma Knife procedure is actually used as a last resort or as a first line in only rare circumstances. The pituitary surgery itself is known the be the first line of attack and the most superior regarding results. There’s a 70-80% cure rate. For serious people, there’s an email link on my blog if you want further information or percentages. I’d also like to think that my neurosurgeon knows a little more than one who calls himself a “doctor” or “DR”, and has a profile pic of “muscles”. (McBloggenstein), I’m not talking about you.
I would like to say that I don’t see where the members of this site are mostly disagreeing with the author.
I couldn’t find that at all. In fact, I find this site to be the opposite – one where you rarely find any dissent. No wonder, my text surprised so many!! I sure did hurt a lot of feelings in here (everyone except the author).
Carry on, folks.
Hopefully some of you will get over the fat epidemic and be able to concentrate on your own problems and own life instead of playing the “victim card” and blaming all of your problems on us.
Thank you for letting me share here. It’s time to move one now.
Oops, I forgot to add, the link I had posted 3 times already in here named, “Fat America” is the link that doesn’t have 200 links therein. It is actually a post I made on my blog to challenge the stereotype that America is the fattest nation and to challenge the stereotypes that exists within the most hated group on a global scale: fat people. It explains the many reasons why people get fat outside those who get fat to get sympathy.
It’s an actual post that I wanted to copy and paste here. But there are over 4000 characters. That is why I linked it here because so far, no one has challenged that. And that is substantiated – the way I have been told to substantiate my finding here. I thought that it would be easier just to link to the post in my blog.
Anyway, ….. on that note, Have a Happy 4th of July for the Yanks reading this.
“Why would I be jealous of the “freedom” a fat person has? This is an obvious place where you and I view life differently. I don’t see fat people as free. I see them as having more occurrences of chronic pains and illnesses. I see them as being shackled by their fat.”
Not to mention how free are you when you lack the energy to climb the stairs, keep up with your child/spouse, or engage in regular everyday activity? That is one of the reasons I began my fitness journey- I could barely keep up with my daughter. That and my belly jiggled when I brushed my teeth. HA!
Hey! I stumbled across your blog by chance. It’s nice to see you writing about your passions.
If I were to guess, I’m exactly the sort of person you have a problem with. I had been slightly overweight my whole life, but in my senior year of college I started gaining weight as a lifestyle choice. Now I’m 25 years old and weigh 453 pounds—just measured after yesterday’s Fourth of July feasting—and, honestly, I love where I’m at in life. I love to eat. I love to be full. I love to be too full. I love how much more sensual my body is, the larger it gets. As far as I’m concerned, I’m sexier now than ever before in my life. And the only man whose opinion counts—my boyfriend—agrees! Sweet deal, huh? Luckily, on a planet with almost seven billion people, there’s somebody for everybody.
Are you cringing yet? Save it. It gets better: You’re worried about my health, right? Well, I take medication for high blood pressure and cholesterol. I have also developed an enlarged heart, which is treatable but isn’t enough of a problem at this point for me to take any action on yet. I am completely sedentary and can’t walk across our own apartment without needing to rest afterward. The only exercise I do is walking between our various rooms here, or swimming down at our building’s pool. Other than that I almost never go out anymore, except out to eat with him or my friends. I have trouble catching my breath, and I sweat whenever I move around, and also when I sleep. My heart pounds and races when I exert myself, even so much as standing up from my seat. It pounds so hard that it hurts when I lie down after a large meal. Today I’m still healthy. My BP and cholesterol are under control, and, other than my heart and a little bit of liver trouble, I don’t have any other health problems that I know about. I’m good about going to the doctor regularly, so anything that might happen to me will get caught early. With today’s modern medicine, I expect to be around for a very long time. I am healthy, and comfortable, and deliciously lazy, decadent, and greedy. I have gotten everything I wanted and have paid no price for it. I cheated all those religious nuts who say their god will punish the wicked. I defied all those people in the mainstream media who say fat people are hideous losers who have no self-discipline or self-respect. I have done so well for myself that I even feel cheerful enough to come on your blog and congratulate you for writing about your passions. After all, your opinion is no threat to me: I’ll go on enjoying myself, and you’ll go on detesting me and others like me. That’s life! I’d say I get the better end of the deal: I get to be happy and gluttonous, and you get to be pissed off about it.
Are you still with me? Here’s big finish: As I have gotten heavier, my boyfriend has also become indispensable in helping me getting out of bed and into / out of the car. I don’t bother with makeup anymore, and some days I don’t even bother getting properly dressed. And here’s one for ya: I can’t really reach around to my backside very well anymore, so he cleans me up after I use the bathroom. He also helps me bathe, and, when I overdo it on the hard drinks and get sick—which is a few times a month—he’s right there with me with a cold, wet towel, or a cold glass of water, or whatever else I ask for. You see, he can’t help himself. He likes fat chicks, and so helping me out with my basic hygiene is all part of the fun for him. For me too, to be honest. It’s a BDSM thing.
Now you’re cringing. Everybody cringes when I tell them how fat I have grown in such a short time, and how shamelessly proud I am of it. It especially makes men get angry, I guess because they expect women my age to meet their definition of hotness. Nobody believes me when I tell them that I’m happy with my lifestyle, that I think fat is sexy, that my own rolls of lard are a source of pride for me, and that I get a sexual kink out of becoming so humiliatingly obese and helpless.
You’re probably also a little bit angry and disgusted. After all, your tax dollars are going to be paying my medical bills, or something like that, right? Whatever. That’s the thing: I’m gainfully employed, working from home. I pay my taxes. I’m politically active. I do my bit for the country, and, eventually, when it comes time for me to need some medical help—as we all will at some point, skinny or plump—I’ve earned it. So, really, there’s nothing much you can do except stew in your own juices.
Or you can take it easy, chill, and figure that maybe there are worse things in life than fat people. But, given that you actually blog about this, I’m not expecting you to have a change of heart. So! Thanks for giving me a Saturday morning smile, and best wishes to your noble crusade against the piggies.
Oinkfully Yours,
Teresa
P.S. I’ve learned that most folks who hate fat people do so for one of three reasons:
1) They secretly think fat people are sexy, or want to be fat themselves, but they repress that desire because society tells them that it’s messed up to like fat people or to get fat yourself and still be a happy, confident person. That repressed desire leads to all kinds of anger issues. Way too common!
2) Others are being sincere when they complain about fat people, but the only reason they complain is because either they themselves or their partner (or maybe both of them) is fat, and that causes them relationship stress or confidence problems.
3) Most of the rest just hate fat people because hating fat people is what society has told them is natural, and they’ve never really questioned that.
So…obviously I’m not going to pretend to know anything about you, or to judge your motives, but you might at least give some thought to the matter. Cheers again!
It’s hilarious.
Other blogs get comments about their specific posts… I get peoples life stories.
Teresa: You’re actually wrong about how I think of you. While your story is both fascinating and an enigma to me, because you say you really enjoy your life the way it is and want to continue to be this way, then I have no problem whatsoever with that!
I have said before that it’s the people that complain about being fat and neglect to put any blame on themselves – even though they made themselves fat – that upset me.
However, I will ask you this: While you may consider the way your lifestyle is currently working out for you to be fun and pleasurable, what if you didn’t have your boyfriend there to help you continue? I know this is one of those situations where you don’t want to think about the “what ifs”, but really, you say that you are getting so big and it is more difficult to do things for yourself that he has become “indispensable”. What if you didn’t have him? Can you imagine your life then? I am speculating that a big part of what you enjoy about your relationship is that he takes care of you. Would you still feel sexy if he were no longer in your life? I think it’s great that you have him, and because of that it helps you to ignore what everyone else thinks, because you probably feel as if his and your oppinion are the only ones that matter. Which, of course, they are the only ones that really matter. But that’s just one of the things that would change and that I personally would consider if I had a lifestyle where I had to rely on other people to fully function.
Virgomonkey: You’re beating a dead horse.
In response to your interest in my claim of 10%:
This is what I said in response to a comment on my Fat Mission page:
I was speaking SPECIFICALLY about Hypothyroidism, which causes weight gain, among other symptoms. In terms of the percentages, I came up with “less than 10%” from this article, among others. The actual numbers that the author mentions are MUCH LESS than 10%, but I just said that nice round-ed up number to account for plenty of misdiagnoses that, like you said, do occur.
OH…
And DR is not a doctor, nor has he ever claimed to be. He has been a personal trainer for (I think) 20 years. Those are his initials.
However, I will ask you this: While you may consider the way your lifestyle is currently working out for you to be fun and pleasurable, what if you didn’t have your boyfriend there to help you continue?
I don’t spend much time worrying about that. We’ve been together for quite a while now. We’re not married, but we’re partners all the same.
I don’t spend a lot of time worrying that America will be conquered by terrorists, either. See what I mean? Just because something is possible, doesn’t make it likely.
Now, it is true that I have become frightfully dependent on him, and that if we broke up I would have serious hardship in my life. I have a difficult time moving around and caring for myself. He earns most of the money we make. And his company and friendship are very emotionally satisfying. If we broke up I would lose all of that.
However, it’s not as though I would simply keel over and die if he left. I have friends and family who would be there for me if I needed them. Maybe I’d need to hire a living assistant also, to help me with basic needs and hygiene, but I can see that happening anyway, since my boyfriend is gone ten hours most workdays, and I have a hard time just standing up by myself, let alone doing anything more physical than that.
Would you still feel sexy if he were no longer in your life?
Hell yeah! Do you know how many men there are out there who are just gagging for a fat chick with a booty like mine? I could go to Craigslist tomorrow morning and have a man waiting on me hand and foot by the end of the day! Of course, someone as caring and honest as my current boyfriend might be a little harder to find, but you asked about “sexy,” and so there you have it.
Also, I know where you were getting at with your comment. You were trying to imply that my confidence would be shattered if he left. Well, here’s what I think about that: I get to decide for myself what “sexy” is in my life. I don’t need others to decide it for me. I think fat is sexy. I think I am sexy. It’s my call. End of story. The only thing left is to look for the men who agree with me, and, believe me, there are plenty of ‘em.
I have said before that it’s the people that complain about being fat and neglect to put any blame on themselves – even though they made themselves fat – that upset me.
I guess you’re right. People who don’t take responsibility for themselves are pretty lame. They tick me off, too. Although, when it comes to fat people being unhappy with themselves, I don’t think the real source of the problem is the fat people themselves. I think it is our culture, which shames people for being fat and which instills in everybody’s mind from a young age that fatness is deplorable and hideous.
Consider: If somebody blows up a dam that floods your town, and you drown because you can’t swim, is your death your fault, for lacking the ability to swim? Yes, it is. But it’s not your fault for being put into a situation where you were set up to fail.
That’s the distinction to make. People eat because eating is what people do best. It’s one of the most fundamental behaviors there is, and hunger one of the strongest impulses. Yes, many people lack the will to eat properly, and then regret becoming fat (because society tells them that fat is bad), but, even though the act of getting fat itself is usually the individual’s own fault, the society which enables this behavior is to blame for creating the circumstances that set people up to fail.
First of all, if we simply stopped antagonizing fat people and fatness itself, it wouldn’t be such an obsession. People would not feel social pressure to lose weight. They would do so only for reasons of health and lifestyle. (And some, like me, would actually decide to gain weight, or gain weight unintentionally but have no problem with that.) With food as plentiful as it is, that would undoubtedly lead to a fatter society. But so what? The health risks and the economic costs of obesity are overstated and poorly understood. Many people have searched long and hard to prove that obesity is the cause of the health problems for which it gets blamed, like heart disease and diabetes, but even today all we can prove is a correlation. The rest is still a question mark. Yet people will believe what they want to believe, and so everybody has the sense that obesity is bankrupting our nation and causing us all to be incapable of living the kind of lives we want to live. Well, I’ve some news for you, mister: That’s ridiculous.
Second of all, if we wanted to combat undesired obesity, we could focus on those groups likeliest to become obese, including minorities, males, and the poor, and take steps to alleviate the conditions which lead them into obesity. Of course, to do this requires that you first make the basic acknowledgment that “minorities, males, and the poor” are not inherently inferior groups of people, but that they simply face social norms and/or socioeconomic hardships that put them at a higher risk of becoming obese. In particular, I think we need to make it more profitable for people to buy food staples at the market and prepare those foods at home, rather than eating fast food or buying prepared meals at the grocery. I also think we need to encourage people to drink more low-calorie beverages like tea and water, since beverages are now a major source of calories in the human diet. I know a little something about that: I wouldn’t have been able to get so fat so quickly were it not for beverages like milkshakes, half and half, soda, orange juice, lattes, etc. Most nights I’ll top myself off before bed by pouring two cans of Dr Pepper in with a pint of whipping cream, and having myself a homemade Italian soda, to the tune of 1600 calories right there on the spot. There is no solid food that can supply that kind of caloric energy so quickly. Believe me, I’ve counted. It’d take nearly four McDonald’s large French fries to do the same.
Think about it.
I didn’t say you should worry about it day and night. I just wondered if it crossed your mind everytime you had trouble wiping your ass. So, if he weren’t there, are you going to ask your family to help you do that? Will you feel good about it?
Any female with a pulse could do that.
That’s why I said it’s only your oppinion that really matters.
Who are you talking to? I never said that. You’re confusing me with other supposed “fatophobes”.
No kidding. I’ve already written about all of that.
Lovely.
I’m trying not to.
“Most nights I’ll top myself off before bed by pouring two cans of Dr Pepper in with a pint of whipping cream, and having myself a homemade Italian soda, to the tune of 1600 calories right there on the spot.”
WHY? gosh, I consume only slightly more calories than that in an entire day.
McBloggenstein:
I didn’t say you should worry about it day and night. I just wondered if it crossed your mind everytime you had trouble whiping your ass. So, if he weren’t there, are you going to ask your family to help you do that? Will you feel good about it?
“Wiping” doesn’t have an H in it. Anyhow, no, I wouldn’t ask my family or friends to do that. I’d clean up in the shower, or hire an assistant. In any case, I wouldn’t have to worry about it for long, because I wouldn’t be single for long, because, like I said, there are about a million chubby chasers for every confident fat woman.
And no, I don’t think about that every time he’s wiping me. You’d be surprised how often people try to play a “gotcha” with the whole wiping thing, but the joke is always on them: They always assume that I place as much stock in society’s taboo on the naked body and the natural functions of the body as they themselves do. I don’t. It’s just toilet paper and human waste. There’s nothing degrading or humiliating about it. Sexually speaking, yes, it’s very humiliating. That’s a part of the kink. But, practically speaking, no. It’s just a part of life. In fact, I find it far more humiliating that I can’t keep my houseplants alive than that I need help in the bathroom.
I’m 453 pounds now; most of my gain has been relatively swift. Thus, my newfound disabilities are relatively new to me. I fully expect that, as I grow even fatter, I will become completely unable to manage my personal hygiene. Somebody like you may well cringe at that–your type always does–but, for me, it in no way interferes with my life goals or my daily routines. It’s just one more sign of my ever-increasing beauty as a BBW.
Stop for a moment, and consider a worldview where fat is as sexy as it is ugly to the true you.
totaltransformation:
WHY? gosh, I consume only slightly more calories than that in an entire day.
Why? Why do some people go jogging every day? Because that is in keeping with their preferred lifestyle. Maybe they like the scenery. Maybe they like the solitude. Maybe they like the health benefits. Maybe they just need to get out of their homes or offices for a while. Could be anything!
So, why do I feed myself cream and soda at the end of the day? Because when the body is sleeping, its energy level drops, and so any calories consumed prior to sleeping are metabolized while asleep, and thus a greater proportion of them are stored as fat. Because a soft, ripply body is something that I happen to admire of myself, this is a Good Thing.
Also: The more you weigh, the more calories you need to maintain your weight. All of my delicious curves of lard have to be kept warm and supplied with blood and energy. Thus, at my present weight, I find that I need over 3000 calories a day to maintain. But, since I’m gaining, I typically aim for 4000 or so. By comparison, 1600 isn’t that huge.
Bloggy: I give you props for keeping up with all these novel length comments…
Teresa: While I respect that you are happy with your weight and your life style.. I just dont get it. Don’t you feel like you are missing out on life? And I’m not speaking about going jogging or working out… I’m talking about everyday activities. It just seems that you are sooo limited in what you can do. It seems that you can barely walk around your apartment, let alone leave it. I can’t imagine not being able to walk out my door and walk around the neighborhood. I can’t imagine not being able to go places and see/do things. I can’t imagine not being able to go shopping or traveling. I guess I should rephrase it… you can probably do these things, but only while huffing and puffing, feeling like crap, and stopping every two seconds to catch your breath. To me that just does not seem like much of a life…
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Lucy:
To me that just does not seem like much of a life…
It’s easy to judge other people’s lives, isn’t it? I do it too; we all do. For instance, I look at the central role religion plays in most people’s lives, and draw the same conclusion: “That doesn’t seem like much of a life.” Likewise, I look at people who spend all day at a desk job doing clerical work, or people who stand in one place all day behind a bank counter or in a supermarket checkout booth, and, I think, “That doesn’t seem like much of a life.” I look at people who spend all of their free time zoned out in front of the television, or people who abuse drugs and get burned out, or people who spend endless hours socializing with their friends but almost never talking about anything deep or meaningful…and I think to myself: “That doesn’t seem like much of a life.”
But that’s how life is. We get to decide for ourselves where our priorities lie, and how we live is, of course, who we are. My lifestyle suits me just fine. It satisfies me. And since I’m relatively healthy, I’ll be able to go on enjoying myself like this for many years to come.
It seems that you can barely walk around your apartment, let alone leave it. I can’t imagine not being able to walk out my door and walk around the neighborhood. I can’t imagine not being able to go places and see/do things. I can’t imagine not being able to go shopping or traveling. I guess I should rephrase it… you can probably do these things, but only while huffing and puffing, feeling like crap, and stopping every two seconds to catch your breath.
Perhaps in an earlier era, you might have had a point. But today, I have the Internet. That’s my portal to the whole world. I can do things and meet people through the Internet that, even as an able-bodied person, I wouldn’t have had the time and money to do in the real world. The Internet changes everything.
I also spend a lot of time reading, cooking and eating (a LOT of time on that), writing, playing piano, watching television, sleeping, playing with myself, and just hanging out with my boyfriend or my other friends–all of whom usually come to visit me, saving me the trouble of having to go out in the first place, although sometimes we go out to eat together. Plus, I have to tell you that I am pretty spoiled by the view I have in my apartment. I’m on a steep hill, so I can see a whole swatch of the city.
Man, I got tired just reading all these posts. I couldn’t even get through 3 of them. I had to stop.
Y’know it just occured to me… if all these fat people took THIS time to go and take a FUCKING WALK around the block, that would do much more good than sitting here defending their fatness.
God, I feel dirty now, just imagining all these morbidly obese people sitting around gaining weight. Now I have to go pump some iron and sprint 3 miles, while listening to some big-hair 80s band for inspiration.
Later!
Haha.. EXCELLENT point!
I’m thinking some Def Leppard, or Whitesnake.
Incidentally have both artists mentioned above, but for some heart-pumping “workout to the 80s” music, I was jamming to “Eye of the Tiger” by Survivor.
Unsurprisingly, my workout was awesome!
Teresa:
“But that’s how life is. We get to decide for ourselves where ourpriorities lie, and how we live is, of course, who we are.”
You’re right. Everyone can make their own decisions about their priorities in life. However, everyone also has the right to judge others based on the choices they make. And I most definitely have the right to say “I don’t get it…”
“Perhaps in an earlier era, you might have had a point. But today, I have the Internet. That’s my portal to the whole world. I can do things and meet people through the Internet that, even as an able-bodied person, I wouldn’t have had the time and money to do in the real world. The Internet changes everything.”
I find it sad that you are replacing/substituting real life with the internet. Don’t get me wrong. I love the internet… I use various social networks to keep up with friends…I read blogs…I keep up with news… but I appreciate the fact that real life happens outside of the walls of my apartment. Somehow the virtual tour of some museum or city just doesn’t cut it for me. I also don’t get to appreciate smells and sounds of the outside world when I’m stuck behind a computer screen.
Why don’t you get a Second Life character? You can live a fantasy/online life at the same time as your “real life.” Yay for the internet.. you can live multiple lives at once…
lonetruth:
Y’know it just occured to me… if all these fat people took THIS time to go and take a FUCKING WALK around the block, that would do much more good than sitting here defending their fatness. God, I feel dirty now, just imagining all these morbidly obese people sitting around gaining weight. Now I have to go pump some iron and sprint 3 miles, while listening to some big-hair 80s band for inspiration.
You’re trying too hard, buddy. “Ooga booga, fat people bad! Me pump iron! Me cooler!”
It made me laugh. I would have laughed right in your face had you said that to me in person.
Look, if you’re going to set yourself up as an enemy to fat people, at least respect yourself enough to present us with a credible opponent. Laters!
Lucy:
I find it sad that you are replacing/substituting real life with the internet.
Not me! The Internet’s newness has led many to criticize the experiences it offers as not genuine, or inherently inferior, but frankly the advent of the online world is one of the most exciting brushstrokes humanity has accomplished in its entire history. I could enrich myself online for more than a lifetime, and still not run out of things to do.
I hope that the person who wrote the ‘hate mail’ finds happiness.
I represent the new fat acceptance. Not only do we embrace the fat but we also embrace the gluttony. Theresa is a glutton and gluttony is good. You go girl. Eat till you die baby. What a way to go!
The Fat Acceptance movement is not happy about my Bigger Fatter Blog. We have made the main stream fat acceptance admit that fat people are gluttons. NAAFA ’s foolish fat by nature proud by choice is bunk. Our motto is Fat by Choice and Screw You Fat Hater.
We unapologetically promote obesity. All fat acceptance is obesity promotion. We are tired of the hypocrisy. We are tired of hiding NAAFA’s dirty little secret of fat porn and feederism. We embrace both.
Theresa, EAT EAT EAT EAT EAT EAT EAT EAT EAT EAT EAT EAT you big fat gainer! Make your feeder proud! Die happy!
I would like to add one more thought. The current fat acceptance is horribly dishonest. Organizations like NAAFA and many of the blogs are a farce. Let’s call fat acceptance what it is. It is obesity promotion. I may not agree with this blog but I respect it for its honesty. I would be happy to post your link in my blog and I would be pleased to have discussion about fat acceptance and obesity promotion. Maybe I could change some minds to believe that GLUTTONY IS GOOD!
http://biggerfatterblog.blogspot.com/
Bigger Fatter Blog is the next phase in fat acceptance. The days of justifying our fatness by saying we have a genetic disorder are over. We now freely admit and embrace what the fat haters would call gluttony. We are no longer apologists for our size. We are fat because we eat huge amounts of food and we like it.
One thing we all can agree on is that the internet is an amazing place. One finds all sorts of interesting and unexpected things on here. I guess I have some questions for you if you are willing to answer. I am curious but I have no issue with someone who chooses a lifestyle that I could never imagine living by choice. I dont see how what you are doing hurts anyone else.
1. As for the bdsm aspect I dont want you to get into details about the sexual stuff because anybody could run across this site but how does it work? I dabbled with a little dominance stuff at one time and Im having a hard time figuring out this situation. Can you shed some light on exactly what the fetish is on his part and who is in controll?
2. have you considered making some sort of fetish site *not porn just lifestyle* to help with some income or even save up for yourself? I know of one woman who makes a living drawing comics for her cannibalism community. I imagine you could put enough time into it to make it work.
3. how will you avoid the bedsores and other health side effects from immobility? Due to the increase of public fascination with this subject there have been several documentaries made about people who are immobilzed by their weight and the issues that come from it.
4. have you put into place a contingency plan in case you have a medical emergency? you may need to plan ahead of time because most ambulances are not equiped for a larger person.
thank you for answering these.
Cherie
Fat Bastard,
According to your logic then if someone was a drug-addict and were refusing to stop drugging themselves I must just accept it despise the fact that they might mug me or other people to get money to buy drugs, increase our crime statistics and become a parasite in a few years time that will survive on our taxes?
Hell no, I’d much rather my taxes go to the pensions of the elderly and people who truly deserve it rather than people who self-destroy themselves!!
You can eat as much crap as you want and be as fat as you want to be but do NOT ask us to accept this, you are free to do as you like but DO NOT ASK FOR ACCEPTANCE!!!
A little self-abnegation never hurt anyone.
I found this site as it was featured on wordpress.com
Interesting blog–
I’m not into bashing fat people. But-I can see how some people could be.
Have fun.
PS I don’t believe in letting oneself become unhealthily overweight-I think it is an abuse of the body.
teresa:
nice that you own up to your lifestile, but as far as defiening those that say fat people are losers with no self respect,… sorry girl, but at 25 and with a colledge diploma, you willingly and consciously allowed yourself to become dependant on your boyfriend to the point where he has to wipe your ass… in my book that’s not self respect, that’s A WASTE.
i do have a couple questions if you ever read this (and it’s not to be malicious, it’s only curiosity):
Are your parents proud of you?
Don’t you think it’s only fair for parents to be able to rely on their kids help when they are old?
Do you think you will ever be able to help them or anyone in your family, should the situation arise, other than by writing a check or a email?
And if not, isn’t that kind of selfish?
Never in a million years would I ever pour two cans of Dr Pepper in with a pint of whip cream. My dear quivering esophagus trembles at the thought of what is going in the stomach and bowels when that nasty concoction goes down. Some of the things these Fatty’s-and-Proud say make me want to vomit in the name of prevention.
For those of us who are struggling with our weight and trying to do something about it, these women/men (e.g., Teresa) who embrace their stretched taut skin give us a bad name. Not all of us appreciate having to buy our tunics in size 3X, nor do we think our stretch marks and donuts look sexy. And when you’re too fat to fit into a pair of Spanx…well, then it’s just gone too far.
The obesity epidemic is out of control. We’re too fat and it’s NOT healthy. There’s got to be something radically wrong, psychologically, with these women [and men] who think it’s okay and “sexy” to be that fat and dependent.
I want to point out that this woman (Teresa) ‘implies’ she has health insurance and the means to provide for herself, should she become sick or have a major health issue as a result of her weight and unhealthy state . . .
If anyone has ever been on an employer sponsored health plan where the boss sends out a notice during open enrollment season to say: “sorry folks, premiums are up $20/month this year” … well, then you can thank the Teresa’s of the world (or at least for $15 of that cost increase, maybe the rest is accounted for by inflation).
A good chunk of rising healthcare costs comes from the burden of paying for people who don’t give a rats ass about their health.
PS: McBloggestein — from what I’ve read it sounds to me like your gripe is on the folks that complain about being fat, yet binge nevertheless. Is this correct? I’m sort of confused about where your concern is focused.
Preach on!
You got my mantra pretty close. Have you read my “Fat Mission”?
I say almost exactly that. It’s the ones that complain about being fat, yet do nothing about it, which means they don’t see any reason to change the lifestyle that got them to were they are.